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Urban Law Myths - PowerPoint presentation.

Phil E

Phil E


Referees in England
Staff member
Had over 15 requests for this.
I will email it to all who asked as soon as I can.

Phil
 
Great powerpoint!

Would you mind if I share with some of my colleagues?

Could I add, "oi ref, double movement!"
 
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Folks

Please feel free to re-use as you wish.
If you could give credit to me and Warwickshire, that would be nice.
.......and post any new and common myths on this thread please.

Thanks
Phil

Phil Everitt
WSOR - Training & Development Officer
Central Federation Management Board
RNRURS
RFU Referee Trainer
 
I would add

- no hand offs to the face
- when the scrum half his hands on the ball it's out
- you can't be offside after a charge down
 
Should have mentioned.

On each slide, put up the title.
Then using the slide notes, prompt for answers.
Get the audience to answer it themselves if they can, with you leading them with open questions.
Then put up the law reference and check understanding.
Finally discuss management techniques to sell your (correct) decision with good clear communication (signal and voice).
 
crossref said:
I would add

  1. - no hand offs to the face
  2. - when the scrum half his hands on the ball it's out
  3. - you can't be offside after a charge down
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  1. - Usually only challenged at youth rugby, but yes.
  2. - Bit dangerous this one as that is the way many referees play it, which is why I left that question alone.[smoking gun]
  3. - Good one. I need to add that (only kicking team are put onside).

Thanks
 
Here's my list of myths

Great Rugby Laws Myths
(1) If a player falls on the ball, you do NOT have to let him up. (You can’t put weight on him, but you can compete for the ball straight away and if he doesn’t let go...ping!)
(2) If a penalty or free kick is advanced 10m, you CAN take a quick tap once the referee has indicated the new mark. This is such a handy one, especially if the ref knows it (can’t vouch for all refs!). The instant he makes the mark, you can go.
(3) A player in a ruck CANNOT handle the ball even if he is on his feet unless (a) he had his hands on the ball before the ruck formed, or (b) he is the scrum half getting the ball out of the ruck.
(4) You CAN be offside in in-goal.
(5) It is NOT obligatory to issue a red or yellow card with a penalty try
(6) You CAN charge the conversion of a penalty try.
(7) At an uncontested scrum the Number 8 CAN break off with the ball.
(8) You MUST NOT ruck players.
(9) A Mark CAN be called from a penalty kick or drop goal attempt.
(10) You DO NOT NEED BOTH “control” and “downward pressure” to score a try.
(11) You CANNOT score a try by touching a goal post above the ground.
(12) There is NO SUCH THING as “double movement” when stretching out to score a try, its simply “not releasing” if the player hangs onto it (same outcome of course)
(13) The captain DOES NOT have an automatic right to talk to the referee when he wants to.
 
Or rather, that's what is correct and not myth.

Thanks for the presentation by the way!
 
Per a suggestion from a coach at my local club, I'm looking at "presenting" this to the high school and senior men's sides. I will give full credit, and may add other things from this thread, so please keep them coming!
 
Blackberry said:
Here's my list of myths

Great Rugby Laws Myths
(1) If a player falls on the ball, you do NOT have to let him up. (You can’t put weight on him, but you can compete for the ball straight away and if he doesn’t let go...ping!)
(2) If a penalty or free kick is advanced 10m, you CAN take a quick tap once the referee has indicated the new mark. This is such a handy one, especially if the ref knows it (can’t vouch for all refs!). The instant he makes the mark, you can go.
(3) A player in a ruck CANNOT handle the ball even if he is on his feet unless (a) he had his hands on the ball before the ruck formed, or (b) he is the scrum half getting the ball out of the ruck.
(4) You CAN be offside in in-goal.
(5) It is NOT obligatory to issue a red or yellow card with a penalty try
(6) You CAN charge the conversion of a penalty try.
(7) At an uncontested scrum the Number 8 CAN break off with the ball.
(8) You MUST NOT ruck players.
(9) A Mark CAN be called from a penalty kick or drop goal attempt.
(10) You DO NOT NEED BOTH “control” and “downward pressure” to score a try.
(11) You CANNOT score a try by touching a goal post above the ground.
(12) There is NO SUCH THING as “double movement” when stretching out to score a try, its simply “not releasing” if the player hangs onto it (same outcome of course)
(13) The captain DOES NOT have an automatic right to talk to the referee when he wants to.
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Agree with all but number 12 - discussed a heap of times here you're right but double movement is widely understood in the game (albeit technically mis-described). You say double movement prevented a try I bet 99% of posters can imagine what's happened

PS top PowerPoint Phil.
 
Toby Warren said:
Agree with all but number 12 - discussed a heap of times here you're right but double movement is widely understood in the game (albeit technically mis-described). You say double movement prevented a try I bet 99% of posters can imagine what's happened
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I think there is a large overlap with the truth, but there is also a built-in error. Best avoided.
 
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