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Time to be retired?

regulation 17 refers to off-field aggravating factors

(a) the Player’s status generally as an offender of the Laws of the Game; (4)

(b) the need for a deterrent to combat a pattern of offending in the Game where the teams participating in the Match or Tournament have been put on notice that such a need exists; and

(c) any other off-field aggravating factor(s) that the Disciplinary Committee or Judicial Officer considers relevant and appropriate (including poor conduct prior to or at the hearing).

His reduction for off-field mitigating factors was reduced from the maximum 50% because while he accepted guilt for foul play, he didn't admit that it was intentional, but reckless. So that position in effect cost him another 3 weeks of suspension

He can next play on 28 March 2026 - which is 16 weeks, or 12 scheduled matches
 
If they find it wilful and the player considers it was accidental how is there any remorse and how can any credit be given, 18 weeks entry point should be extended due to the findings of aggravation:

How the fuck can the panel say that and only give 12 weeks.
The panel obviously thought it was intentional so an 18 week entry and not 12. It was mitigated down due to previous record - first RC in 141 matches - so could have been 9 weeks but no admission of guilt so 12 it was. Whether they should have tacked more on to the entry to begin with is another question.
So presumably these 12 matches need to be either international or Currie Cup?
The list I saw looked like club matches. Would be strange if it was only international matches - could end up with the weird situation of a player committing some pretty egregious offense on match day knowing they can safely go back to their day job next week.
 
The panel obviously thought it was intentional so an 18 week entry and not 12. It was mitigated down due to previous record - first RC in 141 matches - so could have been 9 weeks but no admission of guilt so 12 it was. Whether they should have tacked more on to the entry to begin with is another question.

The list I saw looked like club matches. Would be strange if it was only international matches - could end up with the weird situation of a player committing some pretty egregious offense on match day knowing they can safely go back to their day job next week.

Sorry first red card might work for minor offences like saying never having shoplifted before, but assault with such force and spite there is no mitigation only aggravation.

The only obvious thing about this is how illogical it is.

I've been trying to find the ruling to review the whole judgment but did any body else consider the reports of his worry about being rag dolled absolutely farcical?
 
Sorry first red card might work for minor offences like saying never having shoplifted before, but assault with such force and spite there is no mitigation only aggravation.

The only obvious thing about this is how illogical it is.

I've been trying to find the ruling to review the whole judgment but did any body else consider the reports of his worry about being rag dolled absolutely farcical?
Wow, it's been interesting reading your vitriolic threads, what did Etzebeth do to you? I honestly hope you aren't an active referee because you attribute so many extras to Etzebteh that have nothing to do with the laws of Rugby that I can only imagine how much a player must suffer under you if you don't like them.

I'm surprised you haven't blamed Etzebeth for the fall of the british empire yet.
 
Wow, it's been interesting reading your vitriolic threads, what did Etzebeth do to you? I honestly hope you aren't an active referee because you attribute so many extras to Etzebteh that have nothing to do with the laws of Rugby that I can only imagine how much a player must suffer under you if you don't like them.

I'm surprised you haven't blamed Etzebeth for the fall of the british empire yet.
I suggest you look up vitriolic and reconsider where my comments were bitter or spiteful.

They may have been harsh but the only spiteful thing here were his actions, sinking his thumb into a fellow professional rugby player's eye with a significant risk of inficlitng a disabling intjury, and all the while watching, snarling and pulling the other player onto his sunken digit.

Those actions were well beyond the laws of rugby, they were wlll beyond the laws of the land and outside the whitwash would likely have seen a criminal charge being progressed. Those actions deserve criticism in the strongest possible terms.

Unfortunately, again, the Establishment has taken steps that indicate they deem the product more important than player safety

There are many people I don't like but being objective doe not come into the decisions.

Or if you feel otherwise please tell me how you saw it.

Are you an apologist for his violence that considers something might have occurred in the maul to set this off?

Are you an apologist who feels he would only have done this if provoked?

Because in essence any discussion that even attempts to condone such acts is missing not only his untenable behaviour but also the spirit of the game.

Don't come here to pick a personal fight and try to defend the indefensible say where you stand on it. Enter the discussion with a perspective don't attack people who present an argument you dislike.
 
Wow, it's been interesting reading your vitriolic threads, what did Etzebeth do to you? I honestly hope you aren't an active referee because you attribute so many extras to Etzebteh that have nothing to do with the laws of Rugby that I can only imagine how much a player must suffer under you if you don't like them.

I'm surprised you haven't blamed Etzebeth for the fall of the british empire yet.
Friendly Mod warning - rein it in.
 
How the fuck can the panel say that and only give 12 weeks.

I feel that this again shows an absolute disregard for player safety.

I can only imagine the wholesale Saffer apoplexy is this was the other way round.

It really is pantomime season!
You'll be mildly surprised that the general consensus is that Etzebeth got quite lucky here, 6 months was expected. Ardie Savea giving a witness statement/character reference is a bizarre one too to be honest.

The consequence is that he will miss a lot of investec cup/URC matches - and his club need to keep paying his not insignificant salary. Good chance they were involved in the legal defence.
 
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The consequence is that he will miss a lot of investec cup/URC matches - and his club need to keep paying his not insignificant salary. Good chance they were involved in the legal defence.
How do they decide which games do & don't count towards the 12? Do they all need to be elite games? Or could he enter a beach rugby tournament over summer and miss those game to count towards the 12?
 
"Ardie Savea giving a witness statement/character reference is a bizarre one too to be honest."

Well, Ardie witnessed what we all did via the TV. No doubt everyone will now be asking him for a witness/character reference as it carries so much weight, perhaps he'll do that full time when he retires!:ROFLMAO:
 
How do they decide which games do & don't count towards the 12? Do they all need to be elite games? Or could he enter a beach rugby tournament over summer and miss those game to count towards the 12?
I understand it's top level matches - so in his case internationals, URC, Champions Cup.
If they arrange something like a pre-season friendly then he can't play in it, but neither does it count either.
 
How do they decide which games do & don't count towards the 12? Do they all need to be elite games? Or could he enter a beach rugby tournament over summer and miss those game to count towards the 12?

If i understand the media correctly he has been de-registered :unsure:

If deregistered you can't play and therefore that period of the ban cannot be deemed effective as he cannot be selected to play those games (you cannot select an unregistered player) and therefore misses no games.

Once he re-registers then the ban can re-commence and he can complete the necessary number of games for which he cannot be selected due to being banned on the sideline.

He's either ineligible as he's not registered or he's ineligible because he is banned but you cannot be both at the same time🤯

Or am I missing something about the pantomime again?
 
How do they decide which games do & don't count towards the 12? Do they all need to be elite games? Or could he enter a beach rugby tournament over summer and miss those game to count towards the 12?
Among lots of other parts in Regulation 17.21.3

(b) the Match is to be played between two teams in compliance with all of the Laws of the Game;

(c) where the Match is not part of a tournament, tour or Series of Matches which has been sanctioned in accordance with Regulation 16, the Match:

(i) is to be played between teams of equivalent level (for example, similar divisions or standards of play) and who play at the same or an equivalent level of the Game to the Player’s ordinary level;

(ii) is to feature the best players available to each team;

(iii) is to be played at a venue of the capacity and characteristics ordinarily used by teams of this level or standard;
 
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