Right. Not sure how that changes anything in this context though? My point was ref has discretion to stop the clock in scenarios where otherwise is live play.
Spirit of the Game- Time wasting
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Right. Not sure how that changes anything in this context though? My point was ref has discretion to stop the clock in scenarios where otherwise is live play.
Why does it have to be a scrum restart though? Just because that's conventional doesn't mean it has to be that way. To play devil's advocate against myself here, IIRC, there's a law somewhere that says something of the order of using a scrum as a restart for any other uncovered scenario.
But anyway, if we're proposing changing the laws anyway, there's no reason this couldn't be possible either.
I do hear you though and do think my suggestion, in reality, isn't necessarily a perfect solution either.
Marc Wakeham
Referees in Wales
Well you have 14 players stood doing nothing and you looking like a prat in the middle. Do you just stand there for the rest ofthe game or do you manage it? If the latter HOW?
If you really want to get involved, the only power you actually have is to end the game.
(which would not really be at all unreasonable -- if neither team wants to play , what's the point in carrying on)
didds
Resident Club Coach
with the situation in the OP.
Given "Aka not the refs problem. I appreciate that's a crappy perspective to have as the ref though. "
So what do you do with the situation in the OP?
didds
Resident Club Coach
in other words, blow the whistle and play stops.
Its now stopped with one player holding the ball in goal and the nearest defender 30/40m away. How do you restart?
I personally don't care what I look like lol.
Sometimes inaction is a form of management. Someone's most likely to blink, and it ain't the ref.
You hit the start button on your watch when players start playing again. If the ball carrier dots down before you had a chance to hit the button, it's a try. It's immaterial that you were behind by a few seconds.
Marc Wakeham
Referees in Wales
So how long do you give it? Let's say this was a full (80 minute game) and this happens at 60 minutes. Are you prepared to tand ther for 20 minutes? OR 10? or 5 ? Or are you going to abandon the game write a reprt as to wht and then go back for the rematch?
I'd agree that normaly you have two ontions: Whistle or play on. But the whole point is first the BC side and then the NBC side are not willing to play on. You joining is not helping.
On the notion of abandonong the game. Given the actual scenario was in a 7s tournament. What happens next if you were to say abandon the game? A reschedule of the game? Give neitrher side any points? Treat it as a draw? Result stands? A ewhole new can od worms opened up.
What I like is that those are problems for the organiser to solve
Rich_NL
Well-known member
In 7s, time is of the essence. With 20 minutes to go I blow time off, call captains/coaches over and offer to blow time and let the union sort it out, with the chance that that's not to their liking, or to play on. And let the union sort out their competition guidelines.
"Looking like a prat" is not even on the longlist of concerns. At no point have I seen videos and thought "ah, doesn't the ref look a prat now?"
didds
Resident Club Coach
right. so time isnt really off. just ignored.
and how do you overcome the issue with the next game waiting to get started while you still have several minutes to play out once you get the watch ticking again?
Potato potahto?
That just highlights to the match organizers that this is a match organization issue. The next game waiting to get started is not the ref's issue.
Agreed!
And the point of abandonment is irrelevant to my suggestion, as that can still happen regardless. Nothing stops both teams agreeing to walk off the pitch here as well instead of standing around doing nothing (regardless if the ref takes time off or not). Game's pretty well abandoned at that point.
You have forgotten that the players are all happy not playing (that's the problem) they wont walk off
They WONT want the game abandoned, though, as they won't know what would happen after (could both teams even end up disqualified?)
Abandonment is only weapon the ref really has.
But honestly I don't think this is the refs problem to solve . Just leave it
didds
Resident Club Coach
other than the game isnt over until the ref blows full time.Potato potahto?
That just highlights to the match organizers that this is a match organization issue. The next game waiting to get started is not the ref's issue.
So once again yiou are back with the bloke in the moiddle having to make a call even when its not his fault.
So what is it ?
didds
Resident Club Coach
and the easiest way to achieve that is let time continue until its full time.
Marc Wakeham
Referees in Wales
Exactly like it or not the ref is the one "in control" of the game. He has to resolve the issue some how.
The tournament format is *not* within the referee's control, and a referee inserting their own judgment on it arbitrarily will not be looked on kindly.
Marc Wakeham
Referees in Wales
I've not said it is. Here are my actual words: "...the ref is the one "in control" of the game..." Note the use of the word GAME" and not "TOURNAMENT"
The referee's job is the game in which 15 are standings still on the pitch doing sod all.
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