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[Maul] sliding back

didds

didds

Resident Club Coach
I thought it was now illegal; to slide back through a maul holding the ball, and that the ball had to be actually handed back through the maul instead

But I can;t find that reference online.

was that just a experimental idea, or is online wrong?

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=17

Secondary to that -= the "long pass" thing also?

didds
 
No didds. You are correct. This practice is now illegal as is the 'long arm transfer' where the ball carrier at the front transfers the ball directly to the hindmost player.
 
so its just not included in the online version, which is thus incorrect? (or at least not fully replicated?)

didds
 
It was a Law Application Guideline, distributed by RFU in Juy 2016.
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The Powerpoint notes stated:

The ripper must be attached to the jumper - No long arm transfers

The ball must be transferred hand to hand - No Sliding backwards

Arriving players must not join ahead of the ball carrier

Arriving players from both teams must not slide or swim along the side of the maul


It seems to be a clarification of:

[LAWS]17.2

(b) A player must be caught in or bound to the maul and not just alongside it.
Sanction: Penalty kick

(c) Placing a hand on another player in the maul does not constitute binding.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/LAWS]
 
The 'long pass' is not often seen nowadays, apart from in my U15 (RFU) game today, and strongly contested afterwards by one coach. What wording has brought this into Law, or is it something that has just got to be known?
 
chbg said:
The 'long pass' is not often seen nowadays, apart from in my U15 (RFU) game today, and strongly contested afterwards by one coach. What wording has brought this into Law, or is it something that has just got to be known?
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It came briefly to WRs attention.. and was then forgotten all about .

U15 coaches, eh...
 
didds said:
I thought it was now illegal; to slide back through a maul holding the ball, and that the ball had to be actually handed back through the maul instead

But I can;t find that reference online.

was that just a experimental idea, or is online wrong?

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=17

Secondary to that -= the "long pass" thing also?

didds
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[LAWS=]Law 16.10
All players in a maul must be caught in or bound to it and not just alongside it. A player in possession of the ball must not slide or move backwards in the maul.
Sanction: Penalty.[/LAWS]
 
the 'long pass' thing was a bit silly
the player in possession cannot slide back - he MUST pass the ball back
but not a long pass!, oh no. only short passes

it was always a bit weird- probably a good thing they forgot about it.
 
crossref said:
but is it a bad thing? maul ends successfully ... ball's away ... jouez...
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Not in the scheme of things (and hardly an excessive advantage as I watch the aforementioned man-boy run over the line to score with 5 kids hanging off him) and keeping things moving on a cold morning is always a good thing. But no longer allowed so no more.
 
crossref said:
the 'long pass' thing was a bit silly
the player in possession cannot slide back - he MUST pass the ball back
but not a long pass!, oh no. only short passes

it was always a bit weird- probably a good thing they forgot about it.
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The long arm pass only applies pre/as the maul forms. Once the maul is formed the ball can be passed any way they like.
 
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The long arm pass only applies pre/as the maul forms. Once the maul is formed the ball can be passed any way they like.
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So a ball carrier, who gets wrapped up by an opponent , can't 'long arm pass' to a team mate in anticipation that a maul may have formed? Or are we only considering the specific 'maul following a lineout' situation?
No wonder this game is so hard for the average punter to understand
 
Dickie E said:
So a ball carrier, who gets wrapped up by an opponent , can't 'long arm pass' to a team mate in anticipation that a maul may have formed? Or are we only considering the specific 'maul following a lineout' situation?
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This is probably why they kinda forgot it.
 
Dickie E said:
So a ball carrier, who gets wrapped up by an opponent , can't 'long arm pass' to a team mate in anticipation that a maul may have formed? Or are we only considering the specific 'maul following a lineout' situation?
No wonder this game is so hard for the average punter to understand
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It's all down to whether the maul has formed or not. If it has formed the ball carrier may long arm pass to wherever they like. If it has not formed then the long arm pass would effectively create an obstruction scenario which would need to be managed or penalised by the ref.
 
Decorily said:
It's all down to whether the maul has formed or not. If it has formed the ball carrier may long arm pass to wherever they like. If it has not formed then the long arm pass would effectively create an obstruction scenario which would need to be managed or penalised by the ref.
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I don't think this is quite right.
If what we have is a ball carrier, with a would-be tackler round his thighs (no maul) then I don't see any Law preventing him from passing the ball to a team mate
 
crossref said:
I don't think this is quite right.
If what we have is a ball carrier, with a would-be tackler round his thighs (no maul) then I don't see any Law preventing him from passing the ball to a team mate
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This is not the scenario being referred to.
I refer to the moment a maul is about to form/ has already formed.
 
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