[Scrum] Off side how far

[vimpe22]

19.30
a. Once play in the scrum begins, the scrum-half of the team not in possession:
Takes up a position with both feet behind the ball and close to the scrum but not in the space between the flanker and the number eight or
b. Permanently retires to a point on the offside line either at that team’s hindmost foot, oXxx

Q. . How far from hind most foot can one stand .

a. Above says closer to scrum . Can we use same as guidance .

 

[Decorily]

Your question is not very clear to me...
I think you mean can the 9 of the team not in possession move laterally across the line of the hindmost foot to for example stand in line with the 10.

In my opinion yes they can but I've been told previously that this is not how it is intended to be interpreted!

 

[Flish]

Pretty sure Wayne Barnes said he could in his latest action man YouTube video!

 

[buff]

Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey2aCiT2Wh4

 

[Zebra1922]

a) and b) are separate. If a), the scrum half is following the ball back to the rear of the scrum. "Close to the scrum" here is generally accepted to be within 1m.

For b), the scrum half can move along a line parallel to the base of the scrum as far/close to the scrum as they wish.

 

[Paully]

I think it is clear that according to law the SH can move along a line parallel to the base of the scrum as far/close to the scrum as they wish. (See Waynes video). I had an U15 game today, still under U14 regs, and denied that as an option as it just seems against the principles of allowing players to learn the game. ie I would allow it in a senior game, but not at U15. Thoughts?

 

[didds]

I think it is clear that according to law the SH can move along a line parallel to the base of the scrum as far/close to the scrum as they wish. (See Waynes video). I had an U15 game today, still under U14 regs, and denied that as an option as it just seems against the principles of allowing players to learn the game. ie I would allow it in a senior game, but not at U15. Thoughts?

What do the approate regs say about offside lines at the scrum?

If nothing, then the standard laws of the game stand.

In which case you blow the regs first, and standard laws afterwards.

Simples.

didds

 

[crossref]

I think it is clear that according to law the SH can move along a line parallel to the base of the scrum as far/close to the scrum as they wish. (See Waynes video). I had an U15 game today, still under U14 regs, and denied that as an option as it just seems against the principles of allowing players to learn the game. ie I would allow it in a senior game, but not at U15. Thoughts?

it's an important part of rugby to know the laws and use them to your advantage, and to surprise the oppo -- it's how (for instance) a smaller, innovative team might outwit a larger, stronger team.


it would be very frustrating to find a ref who knows what you are doing is legal -- but pings it anyway.

 

[Rich_NL]

Agreed, and I'm not sure I understand the lesson. They're "learning" a law that doesn't exist, and may rightly feel aggrieved when an opponent under a different ref is allowed to.

 

[SimonSmith]

it's an important part of rugby to know the laws and use them to your advantage, and to surprise the oppo -- it's how (for instance) a smaller, innovative team might outwit a larger, stronger team.


it would be very frustrating to find a ref who knows what you are doing is legal -- but pings it anyway.

Shit. Twice in a year we are in violent agreement.

 

[Phil E]

Shit. Twice in a year we are in violent agreement.

You should look at it as bringing him round to your way of thinking epper::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[SimonSmith]

You should look at it as bringing him round to your way of thinking epper::biggrin::biggrin:

You have great mind, Obi Phil

 

[crossref]

You have great mind, Obi Phil

in fact, if you listen carefully I talk a lot of sense

 

[chbg]

in fact, if you listen carefully I talk a lot of sense

This forum appears to me to be conducted through typing, not talking ...

 

[crossref]

This forum appears to me to be conducted through typing, not talking ...

And this is what I have to put up with !

 

[Marc Wakeham]

I think it is clear that according to law the SH can move along a line parallel to the base of the scrum as far/close to the scrum as they wish. (See Waynes video). I had an U15 game today, still under U14 regs, and denied that as an option as it just seems against the principles of allowing players to learn the game. ie I would allow it in a senior game, but not at U15. Thoughts?

My thought is: Why do you think it is in your power to decide that you'll apply a law at one game but not another when the law is applicable to both?