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no contest lineouts

didds

didds

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hadnt "clocked" itr mentally before but very evidently in l;ast night's U20 gamnes and Wal v Ire just now, the no contest, wonk throw play on may have its initial unintended (by the law makers) use.

A have throw. Two sides oine up.

A thrower throws straight at A #1, who catches and passes to A #9. That is not defended - a jumper in the air by B isn't contesting it. I suppose b#1 sticking an arm out and risking a knock on (deleibverate?) may equate to a contest?

QED any throwing team has almost carte blanche to keep the ball. It may not be the greatest attacking ball, but it's possession ... 1st principle of play
 
The amended 18.23a reads that play continues if the defending team do not lift a teammate to compete. Is there anything written that requires the defender to be lifted opposite the receiving lineout player for competition to have occurred?
 
Guidance is that all throws to #1 or beyond 15 have to be straight, regardless of whether there is a lift
 
Jz558 said:
I cant help feeling that 'guidance' should be a method of clarifying a law as written to ensure consistent application during games not adding a layer of additional regulation not actually included in the original law. But maybe that bird has already flown.
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and in fact is just an indication that - as opined elsewhere recently (again!) - the alw makers take no time whatsoever to ever contemplate the "gotchas" and nuances
 
I have noticed with these new lineout laws (from the TV games I have seen), that the refs are calling "no competition, play on" quite regularly, even on only slightly wonky throws.
(by 'slightly wonky' I mean a throw that could be called not straight by some refs, but perhaps not by others)

Then, when there is competition for exactly the same 'slightly wonky' throw, they are playing on anyway.

I know that all refs, all games, can have a slightly different view of what is straight, and what is not, but surely the same ref, and the same game should be consistant.
 
Mipper said:
I have noticed with these new lineout laws (from the TV games I have seen), that the refs are calling "no competition, play on" quite regularly, even on only slightly wonky throws.
(by 'slightly wonky' I mean a throw that could be called not straight by some refs, but perhaps not by others)

Then, when there is competition for exactly the same 'slightly wonky' throw, they are playing on anyway.

I know that all refs, all games, can have a slightly different view of what is straight, and what is not, but surely the same ref, and the same game should be consistant.
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It doesn't matter if it's not straight because if you don't compete it is immaterial and if you do compete I will ping you for jumping across.

Perhaps we saw an indication of how the problem might play out over the weekend. No jump and look to sack immediately, Itoje got called for interfering in the air. So where and how can you compete as defenders?

Nothing to see here!
 
BikingBud said:
It doesn't matter if it's not straight because if you don't compete it is immaterial and if you do compete I will ping you for jumping across.

Perhaps we saw an indication of how the problem might play out over the weekend. No jump and look to sack immediately, Itoje got called for interfering in the air. So where and how can you compete as defenders?

Nothing to see here!
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Interesting. I noticed unusual calls for jumping across, but I didn't really link it to the new lineout trials..
Would love to read the guidance to refs
 
ive missed something.

So dont compete & squint throw = OK play on

but compete & squint throw = closing the gap? WTAF?
 
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