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Knock-on

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7 Blue is thrown a pass, attempts to catch the ball but doesn't control it. The ball goes forward but just before the ball hits the ground, 7B uses its foot to prevent it from touching the ground, lifting the ball upwards. He then regathers the ball, controls it, and scores.
Ball never touched the ground nor another player.

Knock-on or not?

This just happened at the svns series and the ref, AR, TMO all saw it. It's not like they missed it. And reviewed it, video, etc. Knock-on was called. That call decided the game (Arg vs USA).

I've checked the definition

Knock-on
When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.


Could someone explain this to me?
 
Expected decision is probably knock on, much like if they lose possession and they hoof it forward and pretend it was a planned 'kick', you can sell it either way, but easiest sell is probably the knock on, juggling to gain possession is considered in possession (can be tackled), so they were in possession and it goes forward
 
Knock on. You can't kick your way out of a knock on. The ball has not been caught by the original player.
 
Expected decision is probably knock on, much like if they lose possession and they hoof it forward and pretend it was a planned 'kick', you can sell it either way, but easiest sell is probably the knock on, juggling to gain possession is considered in possession (can be tackled), so they were in possession and it goes forward

But it's not though is it?

Maybe they thought it touched the ground when he controlled it with his foot? Otherwise it's not a knock on.
 
But it's not though is it?

Maybe they thought it touched the ground when he controlled it with his foot? Otherwise it's not a knock on.

When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward,


Sounds like it meets that definition to me?
 
I disagree

When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, ... and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
Wayne agrees with me, so that’s what I go with, but sell it either way (last bit of the clip) -
 
I dont think he does.
Let's look at the last part. The ball drops, the player kicks it and (and here lies the difference!) the player regathers & controls the ball before it touches the ground and/or another player.

Let me see if i can find the video, hopefully that will help to clarify any ambiguities my piss poor description of the events presented.

Thanks all for the input.
 
Ok, hopefully this will shed some light. I couldn't find the other angles (i've watched them live tho), but for the sake of clarity and given Arg 5 blocks part of the view, i can attest the ball never touched the ground.
 
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A kick has to be intentional (in the definitions) so I suspect the fact that it’s unintentional here gets us to knock on as the only options available to the player in possession (to prevent it hitting the ground) were to catch it; or maybe bat it backwards
 
The original player didn’t catch it after the knock on - he kicked it. Therefore knock-on. Whether you like it or not that is how it is refereed, and expected to be refereed.
 
he original player didn’t catch it after the knock on - he kicked it. Therefore knock-on. Whether you like it or not that is how it is refereed, and expected to be refereed.
As per my understanding the rules require the ball to touch the ground or another player for it to be a knock-on.
Since neither of those things happened, how can you conclude that was a knock-on?

Is my understanding wrong (those things stated in the rules aren't really necessary)?
 
For me clearly NOT a knock on, he attempted a catch and after some jugglong (using hands and feet) he gathered it.
Didn't hit the ground or any player

Clearly not a knock on
 
The original player didn’t catch it after the knock on - he kicked it. Therefore knock-on. Whether you like it or not that is how it is refereed, and expected to be refereed.
I disagree.

Definition:
Knock-onWhen a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
In the case the ball did not hit the ground or another player before the original player caught it. That is not a knock on.
 
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