Is reffing around line outs becoming too lax?

[Dickie E]

No.

they have the mental capacity of a 12 year old whose mum has called them in for tea

I guess I can see some logic to the "not straight = FK" idea
1. Makes it consistent with scrum feed not straight
2. Speeds up the game
3. Reduces any incentive to deliberate not straight

 

[didds]

I guess I can see some logic to the "not straight = FK" idea
1. Makes it consistent with scrum feed not straight
2. Speeds up the game
3. Reduces any incentive to deliberate not straight

WR having just introduced an incentive for not straight of course (albeit on a gamble - but a pretty safe one in certain areas of the pitch)

 

[crossref]

my expectation is that defending teams will lift someone at almost every lineout, just to force the straight throw
@didds do you think the same ?

 

[didds]

my expectation is that defending teams to will lift someone at almost every lineout, just to force the straight throw

so no change then at grass roots at all! proving once again all these law changes come about to appease the TV rugby level.

FFS

 

[jeremy]

I do like the explicit guideline that the 'no-contest' exception does not apply for long and (especially) short throws.

 

[BikingBud]

An unannounced 90-metre sprint, setup, call and throw in 15 seconds? Never mind potentially after an hour and a quarter of play... Even something purely conditioning like crossfit allows people time to catch their breath before attempting complex movements.

Unless you are watching the closely orchestrated and constrained England team, isn't all of the game unannounced?

A great selection of kicks, showing tactical prowess and the real importance of gaining field position, not this artificial concept of increasing pressure by kicking until someone mucks up.

Perhaps only a few were extreme kicks, most were 40-50m, and perhaps for some it was the player that was kicking was not expected to perform at that level of skill, big

But what I did notice for a few of the kicks was that the pressure was very quickly converted to tries. Attacking team plays for 50/22, gets good field position, are allowed to play lineout quickly and score - brilliant! I love it. As I said before: "We want to see the game played at pace so that we can see who can still operate under physical and mental stress."

In terms of comparison with CrossFit or why not go to American football, stoppages (time off) are different to routes to bringing the ball back into play, scrums and lineouts, although we do see certain teams with head coaches water boys slowing the game down at every opportunity. We can't have quick scrums as the 2 sides need to come together and compete. We can have quick lineouts and give or take some shockers, where wrong balls have been used, they generally add tempo and improve the spectacle. There is no STE for lineouts so anybody can throw it in and anybody can receive.

If the doughnut club are still finding their way back and the ball is in and scored, so be it:



Attacking sides can when they want, don't allow them not to just because they don't feel like it.

 

[Dickie E]

WR having just introduced an incentive for not straight of course (albeit on a gamble - but a pretty safe one in certain areas of the pitch)

Yes, indeed. Maybe someone at Rugby Oz didn't like the non contest stuff so has tried to negate it with a FK sanction.
Maybe my brain's slowing down, but these constant law fiddles are doing my head in. Next thing you know, a try won't be worth 3 points!

 

[SimonSmith]

"We don't want the FK. We'd rather have the scrum and take a lot of their forwards out of the equation"

"Sound reasonable to m- sorry lads. It's a no-go on the scrum"

 

[BikingBud]

Yes, indeed. Maybe someone at Rugby Oz didn't like the non contest stuff so has tried to negate it with a FK sanction.
Maybe my brain's slowing down, but these constant law fiddles are doing my head in. Next thing you know, a try won't be worth 3 points!

Double whammy no contest - lost at the line out and no chance for the hooker to win it back.

Tell you what let's scrub lineouts entirely and just make it look like the ball is tapped of the foot on the 5m line, that'll be OK!

More and more like league every day

 

[Marc Wakeham]

Yes, indeed. Maybe someone at Rugby Oz didn't like the non contest stuff so has tried to negate it with a FK sanction.
Maybe my brain's slowing down, but these constant law fiddles are doing my head in. Next thing you know, a try won't be worth 3 points!

I thought it was 4 points?

Here's some changes and then lets stop messing with the laws:

BOTH LINE OUT and SCRUMS to be put in STRAIGHT.

Both HOOKERS must strike for the ball. (Maintains 7 1/2 V 7 1/2 at the strike rather than 7 1/2 V 8 that sides say is unfair.

 

[BikingBud]

Eng v Scot yesterday again extremely variable.

Started off pinging twice for closing gaps, I thought OK let's see how this pans out and towards the end hookers with both feet fully inside the LOT.

And as for the leeway for non-competitive not straight how on earth did anybody ever think that was a good idea

 

[crossref]

I feel like they have an idea (fair enough we all have ideas) but dont really conduct proper trials to assess the actual impact of the idea

 

[didds]

I feel like they have an idea (fair enough we all have ideas) but dont really conduct proper trials to assess the actual impact of the idea

again.

Or - again - seem to have no idea about a think tank to discuss how any new law will end up being USED in reality rather than in THEORY. Let alone of course then instructing refs to just ignore them anyway for elite/pro/TV rugby anyway