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Comedy PK

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crossref


Referees in England
Tight game with ten minutes to go, pitch is a bit of a quagmire

Red have a PK on their own 22m and obviously decide to kick for touch
R10 takes a little run up, just as he releases the ball he skids on his planted foot and his attempted kick misses the ball completely. Ball falls to the floor

Obviously some enjoyment and banter (from both teams)

But .. have another go ? Or scrum black for PK taken incorrectly?
 
My first thought is safety. If it's that slippery is it safe to scrumage? How have previous scrums been ?
 
Harry said:
My first thought is safety. If it's that slippery is it safe to scrumage? How have previous scrums been ?
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Great question
Quagmire is a bit of exaggeration, but pitch was soggy.
Agreed before the game that both packs working cooperatively to keep scrums up (else would go uncontested ) plus we would move the mark away from soggiest areas.
This worked and in fact whole game had no collapses.
 
Interesting one. Tight game I assume one score in it so a call for you to make.
If there was nothing at stake, leagues etc. I'd be tempted to let them have another go depending at skill levels, competition level and by the sounds of it the way the game had been played.
If it was a cup final however? who was in the lead, what was the score?
 
Ciaran Trainor said:
Interesting one. Tight game I assume one score in it so a call for you to make.
If there was nothing at stake, leagues etc. I'd be tempted to let them have another go depending at skill levels, competition level and by the sounds of it the way the game had been played.
If it was a cup final however? who was in the lead, what was the score?
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Counties 4 . It's mid season so it's not a deciding game yet but it is 2nd (red) v 4th (black)

Red in the lead by (I think it must have been about) 9 points. But plenty of time for two scores, plus of course losing bonus to play for

It's a red PK on about their own 22
 
There are questions about fitness to play on a sodden pitch and perhaps in a more important game you might decide that the pitch was unfit but once you are playing you are in to managing a game and you have sway in assessing how much you concess due to the conditions.

Law states it must be kicked a visible distance. Does that mean not "kicking" it is the offence rather than not "a visible distance"?

Is attempting to kick but being unsuccessful because you fell over a contravention of the law?

In the context of a hard fought but well mannered, niggle free game, I'm with @Decorily - and once laughter subsides, have another go mate. I would expect the if there had been niggle then the Black skipper would have been pressing for the scrum and that might be difficult to rebut but providing you are even handed I think it's a reasonable sell.

But ensure they get plenty of abuse later in the bar.
 
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Decorily said:
It could be argued that the kick was never taken....not incorrectly taken so for me it's another crack at it!
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I like this, but then that would also be the case when the SH bangs the ball on his boot and runs.. and we commonly give a scrum for that
 
What actually happened was - I let him take it again
Black captain did ask me, shouldn't that be a scrum, and I took the line above: no, the PK was never taken. And black didn't argue

But some time later in the bar, when R10 collected his DOD award, there was a little shout of "but he got a second serve" so I guess at least one black player was still dwelling on it😊

All in all, in those circs I would do the same again
 
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Decorily said:
It could be argued that the kick was never taken....not incorrectly taken so for me it's another crack at it!
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exactly my thoughts. Its no different than shaping to kick but the ball slipping out of the hands to the ground before the foot makes contact with it.
 
I seem to remember a few years ago that when they issued the 'abridged' version of the laws, didnt they remove any reference to sanctions for an incorrectly taken penalty? I know a sanction was subsequently restored but the wording is subtely different and doesn't refer to incorrectly taken. Also nothing in the scrum laws about the position of the scrum for the current sanction.
 
crossref said:
A knock on then
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????????????????????????

How?

The ball isn't live is it at a PK until the kick is taken?

Surely you arent going to award a knock on for a PK if the kicker drops the ball before taking it, or a forward pass for when a team mate tosses the ball to the kicker who is standing in front of him?
 
As for "incorrectly taken" that means eg a place kick to touch sort of thing rather than an air shot - this isn't golf, its rugby union.
 
didds said:
????????????????????????

How?

The ball isn't live is it at a PK until the kick is taken?

Surely you arent going to award a knock on for a PK if the kicker drops the ball before taking it, or a forward pass for when a team mate tosses the ball to the kicker who is standing in front of him?
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I think the confusion comes from no mention of open play or not in your original post. So shaping for a kick in open play and missing would be a knock on. I agree, at a PK, just have another go
 
Post number 1 from CR@:

Tight game with ten minutes to go, pitch is a bit of a quagmire

Red have a PK on their own 22m and obviously decide to kick for touch
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Cant see where the confusion lays. My responses were in direct resposse to that #1 - why would I not ?
 
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