Colours of kit, double standards?

andyscott

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#1
Well, this to mean seems crazy??

As a society we have luminous Orange shirts, lumious orange and blue socks. Blue shirts with Luminous Orange flashes. We are soon to be also having bright pink shirts.

So my question is WTF is wrong with bright coloured boots? Seems and assessors pet hate?

Is this not a total double standard?
 

Dixie

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#2
Any assessor who pulled you up for the colour of your boots should go boil his head. While he's doing that, he might also expect criticism of his tweed jacket, his flat cap, driving gloves and choice of brogues.
 

oldman

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#3
Hope your not wearing long 'underwear' under your shorts. Some assessor's will have you shot!! or never let near a rugby pitch again. Not that the players will even notice.
 

Tarwmawr

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#4
If by the "long underwear" it is a reference to the supportive garments then, as someone who has experienced hamstring problems, I have found them of great assistance as a means of" lasting the game".

I have been told at society meetings when "starting-out" that it is essential to dress for the elements and sometimes for comfort. I am not a high-flyer referee and if I were criticised for appearance I think the "boil your head" message would be reasonable polite as a response.
 

andyscott

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#5
Any assessor who pulled you up for the colour of your boots should go boil his head. While he's doing that, he might also expect criticism of his tweed jacket, his flat cap, driving gloves and choice of brogues.
Not been pulled yet, but have been advised against wearing them

they are a pair of yellow blades and so comfy
 

Drift

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#6
Wear them, we were rumored to be getting pink shirts this year (turned out to be a joke) but I was going to order in a pair of these to wear when I had to wear the pink shirt:


My normal ones are quite a bright white which I haven't had any comments about, plus I am going to buy some green and blue ones.
 

Rit Hinners

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#7
Do you absolutely have to wear those "lollypop" colors for matches in the grass roots game over there? I would be much happier carrying 3-4 solid basic color jerseys (perhaps polos in summer) than wear something neon pink, neon aqua, neon anything.

I understand it in the pro game, sponsors etc...
 

Drift

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#8
Do you absolutely have to wear those "lollypop" colors for matches in the grass roots game over there? I would be much happier carrying 3-4 solid basic color jerseys (perhaps polos in summer) than wear something neon pink, neon aqua, neon anything.

I understand it in the pro game, sponsors etc...
Why not? You won't clash with any of the teams (which is the aim of the kit) so I personally don't see a problem with the bright colours
 

PaulDG

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Do you absolutely have to wear those "lollypop" colors for matches in the grass roots game over there?
No.

Some of us like to wear the society kit as it help us feel we "belong".

Others don't like it and don't wear it. Or they do like it but keep it for special occasions.

(Personally, I rather like the bright yellow shirts we got about 3 years ago. You're very easily seen, never clash with teams and the shirts wash very easily and don't need ironing. I don't like our newer shirts as much so I haven't bought any.)
 

Buzz

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#11
I have been issued with a bright yellow shirt, a green shirt, and an orange shirt, which is worn with black shorts and socks. I have 4 pairs of footwear - Black kooga boots with proper studs, black Puma moulded boots, Black/silver nike boots with shorter studs and a pair of Adidas astroturf shoes which are RED! Not worn these yet, but an assessor did see them in my bag one day and asked if I was auditioning for the Wizard of Oz - cheeky bugger, but I took it as a way of saying don't wear those!
 

Dixie

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#12
No.

Some of us like to wear the society kit as it help us feel we "belong".

Others don't like it and don't wear it. Or they do like it but keep it for special occasions.
Different strokes for different folks, it seems. Our Society kit is absolutely mandated - partly as a uniform to indicate professionalism within the amateur ranks (along with turning up in blazer and tie), partly because the Society is sponsored, and the only thing the sponsor gets out of the deal is the right to display his brand on our kit - which is pretty useless if no-one wears it.

Conversely, no Society member may wear the kit when not appointed by the Society.
 

Simon Thomas

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#13
Each English Society or Federations has their own choice of kit and supplier (choice of colours and often mimics Elite / National Panel / Group kit - which is chosen by RFU). Often this Society kit is supported by a sponsor, and so we (and sponsor) expects it to be worn with logos when referees are appointed by the Society on Saturdays and for Sunday Cup matches - levels down to L12. On Sundays for Youth Rugby, and especially if acting as a Club Ref, wear your own kit, or increasingly we see ELRA shirts and even Club Society kit (e.g. Ealing).

Standard Society kit gives a clear branding, professional feel, easy identification and consistent look, which in feedback I have had in last few years is appreciated by the clubs we serve, especially at the most basic grassroots levels.

I (and our Committee) expect our members to turn out in cleaned (including boots, which are traditionally black leather) smart kit and wear Society logo'ed shirts at least, and our shorts and socks too wherever possible. Personally I could care less what colour boots you wear, but it makes a staement about you that some may take in a negative way, and is positively discouraged at L5 and above.

Certainly at levels 9 and above an assessor would be unimpressed by variations from standard kit - I know a L5 referee who insisted on wearing non-standard Adidas soccer shorts and he annoyed a few assessors in doing so. Fine referee but he did irritate some of his assessors doing that.

At Group and Panel levels there is no option - you get give the kit so you wear it, including training tops, standard tracksuits and black Ascics boots usually. Plus number 1s afterwards (blazer, tie, chinos and shoes).

There is a historical and cultural / ethos legacy that we are expected to follow and maintain.

I happen to have a personal dislike of long undershorts, but would never mark a referee down if he chose to wear them. But at the levels I assess at L5-L9, I would comment on a referee wearing non-standard Society kit and especially garish boots if he had a poor management achievement, or suffered a credibility issue - to be a maverick you have to be better than average to get away with it.
 

crossref

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#14
At youth club level (where I am) I see an increasing number of yellow ELRA shirts (which is what I wear myself).

These shirts are yellow (bright but not neon) and only clash with one local team around here so you can wear them all season, but more importantly they are well recognised by coaches and players and therefore signal pretty clearly that you take refereeing seriously.

(you still might not be any good, of course...but that's a different story).
 

Lee Lifeson-Peart

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#15
Well, this to mean seems crazy??

As a society we have luminous Orange shirts, lumious orange and blue socks. Blue shirts with Luminous Orange flashes. We are soon to be also having bright pink shirts.

So my question is WTF is wrong with bright coloured boots? Seems and assessors pet hate?

Is this not a total double standard?
We had a To3 on Tuesday night in the South Yorks Trophy - we looked like refugees from the Dutch Football Supporter's Club.

The orange is ok it is the shirt material that is awful - although I understand the new orange is better. I assume the colour scheme is derived from the corporate colours of the main sponsor - an oil company that rhymes with "Wolf". The change shirt is dark blue with orange flashes and I've worn it one as it always matches(ish) at least one of the teams.

Boots = predominantly black. My AR(se) on tuesday has pink boots but he is 19!!!!! Big puff!!!:wink: :wink:
 

andyscott

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especially garish boots if he had a poor management achievement, or suffered a credibility issue - to be a maverick you have to be better than average to get away with it.

Is wearing not black boots being a maverick or just choosing what is in stock at the sports shop, or in stock and fits with you financial budget?

For instance i wear yellow boots (blades for hard ground, black studded boots for soft ground), they were cheap and very very comfortable. Apart from that i wear all standard kit from the society unless there is a colour clash and why the YRS chose Orange and Blue when half the teams in Yorkshire play in blue and the other half in red :rolleyes:

If i make the dizzy heights of group or panel then sure I am happy to wear the very expensive, very comfortable boots that are supplied free of charge.

As a side note I refereed a level 8 cup game last night and there were 8 players with identical boots :) , not one comment about my boots from any player ;)
 

Wert Twacky

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#17
Andyscott,

If you're keen to move through the referee ranks (and I take it that as you're on the fed squad that would be the case) then one piece of advice I offer is to simply buy the easy brownie points if you want to be noticed for all the right reasons.... and bright garish maverick boots would be advised against.

Simon T is right - when you reach the dizzy heights of Nigel Owens and, dare I say it, Sean Davey, then by all means wear what you like on your feet, but why wear lollipops when you know that most assessors take a dim of view on it?

And it's not just most society assessors - fed/group and beyond - it's frowned upon and it's as simple as that.

Clean, smart kit that doesn't scream "look at me and my spankypants new boots" are simple points to be earned and sorry, I don't believe your shiney yellow flippers were the only boots in the shop that suited your budget/fitted you.

I personally hate the shorts we're given and struggle to ever get a jersey fit me properly, but as I looked to progress through I just kept my head down and tried to let the refereeing do the talking... and not me boots.

Just a thought or two. :eek:
 

Donal1988

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There are a few lads with us who wear coloured boots who dont seem to get any criticism from the assessors and rightly so. Once your kit is clean and you are professional looking who cares if your boots are white or black. To be honest it seems a very old age way of looking at things that you must wear black shoes. I happen to wear black ones anyway so its neither here nor there but I have a lot of problems with my arches and heels and am very specific about my boots. If a white pair provide most comfort and allow me referee with most ease then I will wear them. I should think it be stressed for referees to wear black rather than some assessors taking a shine to it and some not.
 

andyscott

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don't believe your shiney yellow flippers were the only boots in the shop that suited your budget/fitted you.
Thanks for the thoughts. I dont have a problem with towing the line if I need to but just cant see the logic, in wearing rediculously bright coloured shirts and having an issue with boots?

You are correct about the shop, but it was just a hypothetical thought.
I personally could purchase any boots on the market, but many cant due to financial reasons.
 

Wert Twacky

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I have to agree with the rediculous coloured society shirts - fortunately Somerset's arn't too bad thank God.

But in the main I think the cruxt of this whole pink boot/yellow boot issue comes down in many cases to a perceived "message" that the wearer sends out.

For those looking to climb the ladder, rightly or wrongly it's about toeing the line and in some cases (and i stress the some) garish boots/kit send out a message that it's the referee who wants to be the centre of attention, when for the majority of us that's the last thing we want.

That's my take on it - and as I would say to any new referee looking to aspire upwards... take the easy points; turn up on time, wear number ones, attend meetings.... blah, blah, and don't draw attention to yourself for the wrong reasons. :hap: